Posts by Dutchy Elle

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Flood help in reasoning book.

by bother_forever in

when going door to door at a young age, the topic concerning the flood would from time to time arise, when i first encountered this topic with a "knowledgeable" householder i knew i needed fire power and fast.

it was when opening the "reasoning on the scriptures" book that i knew i would find something to not only amaze the householder with a fact that could not be argued with, but i would re affirm my faith and be happy, etc etc.

there was nothing, no flood heading, after pointing this out to a few bro&sis that our main weapon in the field seemed to lack some fire power in this subject i was told that it was not a neccessary subject for the society to have it in such a book.

Dutchy Elle

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Can I get Reproved or Disfellowshipped for not...

by Smoky in

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preaching (door to door), commenting, or giving talks?.

i am currently fading away, but i occasionaly go to the meetings, just to show my face from time to time, basically to maintain my relationships with friends and family.

i guess leaving everything, is a jump i am not ready for, just yet.

Dutchy Elle

Hi Elsewhere,

Here is your article in the KM of 2/89 which says that we go voluntary in the field service.

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle

Our

Identification as Jehovah’s Witnesses

As ministers of the good news, we are known publicly as Jehovah’s Witnesses. Our voluntary participation in the field service is motivated by love of God and neighbor. It is not carried on at the insistence of any man or organization but is according to our God-given commission to preach the "good news" and make disciples. (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20) Therefore, publishers do well to avoid representing themselves as agents or representatives of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., or any other corporation used by "the faithful and discreet slave" to advance Kingdom interests.—Matt. 24:45-47.

In case of an accident or an emergency or if problems are encountered while working trailer parks, apartments, or certain other territory, publishers may need some form of personal identification beyond giving their name along with a brief Scriptural explanation of the nature of our religious work. If questioned, or when asked for credentials, baptized publishers may use the identification card (S-65) signed by the presiding overseer, which shows one is preaching the good news of the Kingdom in association with the local congregation named on the card.

A supply of identification cards (S-65), which may be issued to baptized publishers when there is a need, will be included with the annual shipment of congregation forms. If any publishers use a personal name card in connection with their field service activities, they should not print thereon that they are representatives of the Watchtower Society.

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The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

by Leolaia in

finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

Dutchy Elle

Thank you, Leolaia !!

A great post. I printed it out and made a file in Word.

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle

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What does your name mean?

by ScoobySnax in

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i was looking through one of them baby name books, and looked up my name scott to see what its meaning is, i got.

scott "meaning of scotland" ........ how boring is that!

i would have prefered "mighty one" or "handsome stud" or something........... still "of scotland" it is...... what about yours?

Dutchy Elle

Hi all,

I'm from the Netherlands (Dutchy) , I'm a male (because my name is used also for female ).

My name ( Elle) means:

Cutting (mighty) sword.

Greetings from the Netherlands.

Brother Elle.

27

little flock

by peacefulpete in

just a comment for the new ones here.

the wt has attatched great doctrinal significance to the words "little flock" in luke 12:32. what however does the context tell us the author was intending?

luke 12 opens with a crowd of curious people gathering and trampling each other and jesus turns to his 12, his friends and disciples, and addresses them with private counsel.

Dutchy Elle

Hi hmike,

The WT-Society (in fact the "Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses" who use the Watchtower-Society as a printer of their ideas) conciders the so called "with the Holy Spirit anointed ones", also called (in their theology) the 144,000, as the little flock. There are only left at this time about 8,600 (also according to their statistics) of these "anointed ones", the so called "remnant" of the 144,000 or "little flock".

The members of the WTS are only about 500 people (they have the "privilege" to vote the president and members of the board of the Society) , and the JW have (according to their statistics) about 6,500,000 active members.

In their idea the 144,000 (spiritual Israelites) are "a little flock" compared to the "great crowd" of non-anointed Jehovah's Witnesses (based on their interpretation of Revelation 7).

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle

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OK we got TheOneBuck, Dutchy Elle, schne_belly....

by under74 in

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....whiskey somethin' or other...right?

i think i saw a bunch of "i'm new here" threads but i was a jerk and didn't post on them.

all you new guys sign in here so i know who i'm dealing with.

Dutchy Elle

Hey! My friend Outlawed Robert ,

Finally I decided to join the boys and girls here . I don't see you that much anymore on the Dutch Db. Everything well with you and your wife?

If I have time to post something, or give my comments, I'll do my best.

At the moment I'm sick at home. I hope to go back at work Monday.

Best wishes,

Your friend Dutchy Elle.

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Baptism - a question for genuine Christians

by coldfish in

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this is a follow on from the post recently about someone feeling their baptism is null and void.. i was baptised in 1983 when i was 13, so before the change of wording.. regardless of the exact wording, i've seriously been wondering about my baptism status?.

after leaving the jw 18 months back, about 6 months ago i became a christian, by christian i mean that i have accepted the importance of jesus and he is my lord and savior.

i feel closer to god than i ever have, and i'm actively involved with church.

Dutchy Elle

Hi Carmel,

If you look at the context in Matth. 3:11-12, you see that John the Baptist talks to the Pharisees and Sadducees. He calls them offspring of vipers, and talks to them about the coming wrath.

If they repent, Jesus will baptize them with the holy spirit, but if they don't, he will baptise them with fire, the fire of the wrath. The ones who didn't repent were baptized with fire in 70 CE. The wheat (the ones who repented) was gathered in the storehouse and they were baptized with holy spirit in 33 CE at Pentecost, the unrepented ones (the chaff) were burned (baptized with fire).

So this fire has nothing to do with water baptism. The message of John the Baptist was a message to Israel, not to people who live now.

Greetings,

Dutchy Elle

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OK we got TheOneBuck, Dutchy Elle, schne_belly....

by under74 in

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friends

....whiskey somethin' or other...right?

i think i saw a bunch of "i'm new here" threads but i was a jerk and didn't post on them.

all you new guys sign in here so i know who i'm dealing with.

Dutchy Elle

Hi ALL and "under 74",

Thank you for your welcome, and also Ozzie of course!

Yes, I'm a new here, but have in the years past read many of the posts here.

I'm from the Netherlands, was 26 years an active JW, lived 38 years in that envirement, until Feb 1983. That month they disfellowshipped me because of "apostacy" . My wife wrote a few months earlier a letter of disassociation, so she is an anti-christ in their eyes. We are ex-JW now for 22 years, free in Christ.

Some 14 years ago we had an ex-JW meeting in the Netherlands with brs and strs from 14 countries. Jim Penton, Carl Olof Jonsson and Rud Persson (Wolfgang Herbst), and many other were there (about 50 persons). It was very nice to see and meet all of them.

My AVATAR is a picture of myself. So you can see who you are talking to .

Christian greetings to all of you,

Dutchy Elle

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Baptism - a question for genuine Christians

by coldfish in

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friends

this is a follow on from the post recently about someone feeling their baptism is null and void.. i was baptised in 1983 when i was 13, so before the change of wording.. regardless of the exact wording, i've seriously been wondering about my baptism status?.

after leaving the jw 18 months back, about 6 months ago i became a christian, by christian i mean that i have accepted the importance of jesus and he is my lord and savior.

i feel closer to god than i ever have, and i'm actively involved with church.

Dutchy Elle

Hi Ozzie,

I was once in New South Wales 6 years ago together with my wife. We were 5 weeks in Hornsby and Sydney. My brother- and sister-in-law live there. What a beautifull country you live in!

We were re-baptized by a non-denominational preacher, member of an, in a way, a house-church because they were very small. They called themselves "a church of Christ", they don't have headquarters somewhere, they are independant (every local church). In NSW they are called "undenominational Church of Christ" in the white papers (telephone-book). They believe when you are baptized, you are only baptized into Christ, not into some name-church, denomination. Their name is Church of Christ because the believe they are only christians, (not THE ONLY christians) not more, not less, and because in the NT there are congregations called "churches of Christ", they call themselves also this way.

Why we were re-baptized had to do with our view and knowledge on the Witness-believe/understanding of the meaning of baptism. They believe in a two-class baptism,

the first one a dedication to Jehovah (by means of prayer) AND to obey the organisation, baptized by a person appointed by the organisation (Jehovah's organisation, Gods mouthpiece);

the second one is the same form of baptism as the first one, but into death only for the so-called anointed-ones.

I don't see in the bible a two-fold baptism, one for the children of God (the anointed ones), and one for the grand-children of God (the so called "great crowd" of the "other sheep", the children of Christ, the everlasting father of Isa. 9:5). I don't see a two-class congregation in the bible. I see believers from two backgrounds, out of the Jews and out of the Gentiles who become one single christian congregation, the body of Christ.

I hope I answerd your questions with this,

Greetings from the Netherlands,

Dutchy Elle

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Baptism - a question for genuine Christians

by coldfish in

jw
friends

this is a follow on from the post recently about someone feeling their baptism is null and void.. i was baptised in 1983 when i was 13, so before the change of wording.. regardless of the exact wording, i've seriously been wondering about my baptism status?.

after leaving the jw 18 months back, about 6 months ago i became a christian, by christian i mean that i have accepted the importance of jesus and he is my lord and savior.

i feel closer to god than i ever have, and i'm actively involved with church.

Dutchy Elle

Hi coldfish,

My wife and I are both re-baptized, because we belief that our dedication to Jehovah in the past (1954 en 1957) had also to do with the organisation's view/our view at JW-baptism itself. My wife was 20 and I was 12 years old at the time. We didn't know what it meant to be a real follower of Christ and to be baptized into His death and with him (Romans 6). We only thought that the WT-organisation was the true religion and that we had to follow their rules and teachings (which came from Jehovah himself by means of the "true and faithfull slave", acoording to their own words), and also their teaching of baptism. It was also a baptism into a sort of denomination, while the real baptism of the bible has nothing in common with that. In the bible there is only one baptism, and that is into death and then to rise together with Christ to live a new life in his body, the biblical christian congregation, not a denomination. We are only Christ's, we are not from Paul, Peter, Appolos, etc., or Pentacostle, Evangelical, Reformed, Roman Catholic, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.

So we didn't like to be a member of any denomination anymore, although we need and have christians around us. Many denominations baptize people ALSO into their religion; Christ (I think) has only one congregation, his body, and he is the head of that body. I only like to be a member of that body, and I like to have fellowship with other christians, and I have that. What they are doing with their baptism is up to their selves, even if they have a church-denomination-membership baptism (in my opinion). I liked to be free. We both were baptized by a non-denominational christian brother.

Your brother in Christ,

Dutchy Elle